Spiritual Materialism  – Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche (Dorje Dradul) -Shambhala
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Transcending anything that exists on this earth, and the materialistically speaking, the spiritual search, and spiritual achievement, and spiritual enlightenment, and spiritual power, is regarded as one of the most highest thing, the greatest thing that mankind ever could achieve. That is true. Enlightenment is the highest thing that we could ever achieve: beyond being president, beyond being millionaire, beyond being whatever; great poet, great writer; whatever. The spiritual achievement is regarded as the most highest of thing, the greatest thing we could ever comprehend, and be able to become a powerful person, personality wise, and wisdom wise, and so forth. We all know that. We all acknowledge that. But at the same time we have a lot of problems with that. So presenting the teaching of spirituality properly, that you have to have very good understanding of basic sanity. And also you have to have a good understanding of basic materialism, spiritually. And we have a coined this word called “spiritual materialism”. Spiritual materialism. That might speak to you something. The spiritually materialistic. That using the name of spirituality and egohood, trying to become greater person. A wise person. Which is very dangerous and very problematic. And it not only destroy you, but can destroy whole wisdom of humanity. And it is in fact Satanism. So we should think very carefully about that particular concern. We should discuss that particular situation very clearly, very openly to each other. And try and understand what that means. So that I hope that I would like to devote a certain part of my course, this first stage, for you to understand the meaning of spiritual materialism. We of course intellectualize the whole thing, and we could also identify with ourselves. But I feel that whatever we do, both of those possibilities are open. That we shouldn’t kid ourselves around, by saying that the only thing we can do here is to get off the path. Now that you have boarded on the airplane of the Naropa Institute, let’s turn on the engine, let’s fly. Let us make ourselves into a cosmic transcendental airline. Let everybody be the passengers. Let’s fly above the sun, and moon, and universe. It is very easy to say. Easy to say, but it is not difficult to do that, since everybody is sitting on the ground, sitting on the floor. Nobody can get an inch off the ground, if you want, physically and spiritually. Absolutely not. Maybe psychologically you think you are doing. But then that is another spiritual materialism. So I am sorry to be such …a … ordinary and down. But I think that particular approach is absolutely necessary, in order to build this particular journey which will take off the ground. Before we do that, we have to understand where we are. If you want to fly in airplane, you can’t just fly. You have to make money. And you have to think how much that cost to buy a ticket. And then that’s not enough. Then you have to go to the airport, you have to book your ticket. You have to find out your flight number, and what particular airline you are flying. And then you have to walk, and also you have to find out what gate number you are flying. And then you have to board into the airplane. You have to stub your cigarettes out. You have to walk. Check your baggage. And then also you have to find your seat number where you are sitting in. And then you have to fasten your seat belts, and put up your tray table and your seat back. You have to go through all those formalities. Otherwise you don’t have a safe journey, as they say. The regarding the question of spiritual materialism. That self oriented pursuit. Which dedicated to pursuing a self, ego. To become oneself greater and powerful person. That if you use mantras, chantings, meditations, of all kinds. That you think you are going to get greater person, greater personality, greater individual, who could trod on the path. But on the other hand you could ignore the whole thing, just chant mantra beautifully. Ignore the whole thing, and not caring about ego or anything else, just as if you’d never heard of such thing. One can do that. But still it is spiritual materialism. That you are deceiving yourself. That there is enormous problems with that. So tonight I would like to introduce the basic notion, basic idea, as to what does mean spiritual materialism, from the point of view of ego orientation. That you wanted to achieve certain particular result, cause and effect. Because of practicing a certain way, that you get what you want. And then you can use it. As if that automatic rifle was presented to your three years old son. Who then can actually actualize the cowboy and Indians and could bang, bang, bang round. Actually you could hear the bang, bang, bang going. And you could appreciate that. “Gee isn’t it fantastic, I could actually do it. I don’t have to fantasize myself on the television anymore. I could become the cowboy.” Maybe we’ve been watching too much televisions, nationwide. And we got these ideas, sense of not knowing where the responsibility lies. Where the game lies, where the ‘kick out’ lies. That has become a tremendous problem. And we could sit down here and say that now if you sit down for three minutes and say a certain particular word, by saying so you are going to get enlightened. That is extremely cheap, unreasonable. That undermines human dignity, that human beings possess. Supposed to possess, some kind of intelligence as to develop some kind of critical attitude to what you are doing. And you are supposed to see through that. So that is the basic point where spiritual materialism could cut through, by your own self existing irony, critical attitude, to cutting through that kind of deception. And that is where the function of enlightenment lies. That you can’t be all that deceptive. You can’t be all that challenged. And you can’t be all that gullible and coward. So that is where possibilities lies. Otherwise there is no point in talking about enlightenment, absolutely not. And we should’ve relied more trust in the computer, everything is mechanized. But since everything is not mechanized, everything is experiential. Therefore there is a strong possibility to fight back against such spiritual materialism. Which applies very, which is extremely important point that I would like to make. Is that that’s the key point. That there is the cynical attitude that exists within to us. That one wonders, “Should I give into my cynical attitude. Or maybe I should give in. Maybe I should go through the whole way.” At this point it is absolutely necessary to understand basic spirituality, to go along with cynical attitude. Questioning everything. Not necessarily intellectual, logical, metaphysical way, but experientially. Trying to go along with that particular approach is extremely important. So that is the first step. As well as the first step for you to be a student here, to how to sharpen your intellect.

can you tell where to find the complete video of the lecture and/or more about Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche ? Thankyou

@lazyfreedom98 i watched this video a while back and thought about that statement and I believe I made alot of sense out of it in my mind… just a thought..

It is highest thing, but of coures we can achieve be Enlightenment if we really wanted to be because we are humen who can do everything else. please dont make anymore comfuse

The thing I don't like about the Buddhists is that they don't bring God into the picture. The Buddhists see through the spiritual materialism of the average religious person and then kind of throw out God too. When one is suffering from one of life's tests, then one's spiritual actions are much more real and not tainted by the ego. It is then possible to experience a God realm by putting one's faith in it. This is extremely hard to do though and perhaps why people settle on the Buddhist level.

Buddhism does not stress God. It's deeper than that. God and self become One; even I-Thou is dualistic. Our relationship with the world seems to be I-It, with the urge to use everything, animal, vegetable, human, the Earth and Sea, to make a buck. Spiritual Materialism is food for the Ego, which is usually a mistaken image of Self.

I understand what you are saying. However, when you say "God and self become one" I am doubtful that you are truly uniting self with God. The level of God you are referring to is not really God at all; it is probably something spiritual just not God.

Being hung up about dualism is itself dualism. The truth is God is always infinitely higher at than us while at the same time He is one with us; a paradox. Praying to God in the right state of mind *can* go to a higher level that you described.

I think its a constant process of re-examining this question of the meaning, but I think the question is, are you trying to be who you are, or are you trying to be what you think you should be?

With all respect… this gentleman does not realize he actually does not know what is meditation… spirituality… and enlightenment, he tries properly to make his argumentation interesting and deep, but does not get it, because he speaks and doubt about concepts he does not even know…. is obvious.

I know his biography, but is not gold everything which shine, I'm sorry but just a phrase like " lets picture we get inlighted, then what?" that he says in the video, shows that this person has never felt the pure love of inlightment and because of his fury is huge, I respect his point, I think is amazing he searched for his own way to feel and see existence but everyone should beware of the deception consecuence of his live circunstances, to be free is to see in esence, purely, objectibily 🙂

How much respect…..thanks. Anyway I think you should re-read man if you say Buddhism = The True Way of Life we are agree, peace, keep changing 🙂

I love his clothes. I wished they would still make this fashion today. This suit and shirt and tie is exactly my taste. I love Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, he is an amazing man. And he is beautiful looking, amazing face.

"Enlightenment is the highest thing that we could ever achieve".

The above statement is fundamental and fundamentally wrong Buddhist dogma.  It is ludicrous to suppose that the enlightenment of a human being such as Buddha encompasses the highest mind, for highest mind is omniscient and Buddha, bring ignorant of modern algebra, quantum physics, Swahili and infinite other things was not omniscient.  Highest mind creates the Universe and life, neither of which the Buddha could accomplish.

Trungpa's starting point of enlightenment as the highest thing achievable is itself an expression of flawed spiritual materialism.  In fact Buddhism may be viewed as one big exercise in spiritual materialism.

Given that Buddha-mind isn't highest mind, it follows that enlightenment is not the highest we can achieve.  When man worships Buddha he worships Buddha-mind and the state of enlightenment.  This is like believing the sun rotates around the earth.  When man worships actual highest mind, mind-in-itself, Infinite mind, omniscient mind from whose omnipotence arises the Universe and life itself, only then does he achieve the highest and only in this way does he transcend spiritual materialism.

Worship of a human being such as the Buddha, the Lama, Jesus, Krsna, Mohammed, Babaji or the Pope is the ultimate error of spiritual materialism and is called idolatry, the worship of anything other than the absolute Infinite.
For this reason Torah bans idolatry in the first three commandments.

Does not sound anything like teachings of Buddha. It is more like modern day teachers such as Anthony Robbins, 'The Secret' etc. on how to gain material possessions. Just what the majority want.

All matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, there is no such thing as death and we are the imagination of ourselves, here's tom with the weather.
In truth, all of us are creators and life does exist beyond this planet, religion in particular has killed creativity in man, boxed in his thinking and limited his potential, why? because the true map of our soul is the universe in its entirety, if you throw all your concepts in the trash can and sit in silence, what will you find? '' Nature is not silent, it is man who is deaf. ''

People are saying, the thing they don't like about Buddhism is that "they don't bring god". That's because, 1. Buddhism not only does not believe in a creator god, it actually refutes the existence of an discrete creator. There is " NO GoD" he is dead -Nitchze.

The idealization of individualism and cherishing the ego will cause us much in the way of suffering; will lead us to go astray – so much so that we forget our basis goodness. and the goodness generally of others. SO gratefully glad to have met you in 1978 and studied with you Trungpa

Very easy for him to say these ridiculous things. How did he purchase that fine suit? How did he get to this location? How does he feed himself, how does he put a roof over his head, how does he get from place to place?

MONEY

He is nothing but a hypocrite. Are we expected to believe that he should endow himself with these things just to enable his bullshit?

Listen to any of these so-called spiritual leaders, and you will literally starve to death. This is the physical realm.

True spiritualism teaches us how to live with duality.

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