Should Women Wear Head Coverings? 1st Cor 11:2-16: Bible Walkthrough

Should Women Wear Head Coverings? 1st Cor 11:2-16: Bible Walkthrough
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hi welcome to Bible walkthrough I'm Adam Ayres I'm West Warner and on this episode we are dealing with head coverings should women wear head coverings or is it a disgrace should men have long hair glad I don't have to answer that question under myself welcome by walk-through balding men can rejoice everywhere so what is that I'm talking about that's a question we ask frequently let's read the bible scripture and see what's going on here 1st Corinthians 11 2 through 16 I praise you because you remember me and everything and maintain the traditions just as I pass them on to you but I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man and the man is the head of a woman and God is the head of Christ any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered disgraces his head but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered this graces her head for it is one and the same thing as having a shaved head for if a woman will not cover her head she should cut off her hair but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved she should cover her head for a man should not have his head covered since he is the image and the glory of God but the woman is the glory of man for man did not come from woman but woman from men neither was man created for the sake of woman a woman for man for this reason a woman should have a symbol of authority on her head because of the angels in any case and the Lord woman is not independent of man nor is man independent of woman for just as woman came from man so man comes through woman but all things come from God judge for yourselves is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered does not nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace for him but if a woman has long hair it is her glory for her hair is given to her for a covering if anyone intends to quarrel about this we have no other practice nor do the Churches of God is that the right translation on it well you know I differ with some of these points of translation particularly where it says I'll to have a symbol of authority on her head that that's not what the original text reads that the idea of it being a symbol is supplied by the translators here hmm it just simply says that she should have authority on her head because the angels that's a little problematic the other one it is in verse 16 where it says if anyone intends to quarrel about this we have no other practice now they're taking that from the the Luke their the the knot of the negative particle there but um speaking Greek now it's good sorry yeah good that's Greek to us right it's more of a grammatical syntactical issue here but yeah I I agree with those translators who translate the toy octane there as as no such practice do we have really we such a practice don't have neither do the Churches of God which is pretty much the opposite yeah it's I think this is not quite as clear of a translation as the ones that say no such practice especially when you read the whole pericope it is problematic to say no other practice yeah because then it's illegal to to be a Nazarite yeah the long or it's a disgrace to be a Nazarite at this great point is this grace but if you look at Hebrew Bible um having long hair has never seen as a disgrace Absalom it makes a special point to say he was flawless in his beauty and his hair he grew it every year and cut it once a year and it wait I forget something I'm amazing amount like a hundred shekels then his hair is seen as a glory to him so I think when we approach this there's a couple of points theologically that have to be made what comes to mind for me is that in Israelite worship the high priest is commanded to have a turban on his head to have a head covering with a plate that says holy to the Lord on it and he's supposed to wear this when he's doing the highest rites of Israelite worship Day of Atonement kinds of things when he goes into the Holy of Holies that's what he's supposed to do so to say that that Paul is saying it is transcendently or innately intrinsically shameful or inappropriate to pray with your head covered if you're a man is a little bit problematic and he would have been aware of this mm-hmm I think from from a missiological hermeneutic perspective I think it's very very important to look at verse 2 where he says I praise you brethren that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you so his argument here is really not about transcendent Christian morality or practice he's talking about how well do you keep the traditions that I pass to you there's something going on and this isn't a section of 1st Corinthians where he's correcting a number of practices in the Corinthian church eating things that are offered to idols how they practice the Lord's Supper and he's he's correcting a lot of their behaviors to be in line with Paul's understanding of how they should conduct themselves in the church and he'll go on to do other things how they how they conduct themselves in their worship using the glossolalia the speaking in tongues and things like that so he's talking about whether or not they are holding to certain traditions that he has passed to them and apparently he's talking about whether or not the women are willing to wear head coverings as a sign that they are under authority so I'm sorry but what comes to mind for me as a child of the 70s is an old phrase from women's lib movement that there's a slogan where they would say come on ma burn your bra okay and it appears that the first career that the letter first Corinthians it appears that the Corinthian church has women in it we're having this come on ma burn your bra idea and that they are disrupting the church by their refusal to do certain things that are considered to be basic modesty in a society now one could make an argument against wearing a you know women wearing tops many cultures they don't wear tops but just because someone is free culturally as a Christian doesn't mean that you have the right to offend by taking up a practice that is considered to be beyond modesty in a culture in a society and I think that's why Paul says you judge for yourselves and and that's a key caveat in this this is you have to judge for yourselves you know what you consider to be modesty don't violate what you know and what you consider to be modesty never mind that none of the other churches do it that way hmm that make sense no yeah it's interesting I think it's also interesting the part we talked about the Angels I think it's interesting that the angels are sensitive to the people in the church respecting the established authority that they somehow have a sensitivity to that is is interesting to me that's cool I believe some some commentators interpret that based out of Enoch and out of the Nephilim story in Genesis that if women don't cover their hair that angels will be tempted oh my goodness I think that's a far-fetched accusation I can hear how they yeah yeah totally but I think it's more what you're saying that angels are sensitive to Authority if we read in Daniel Nebuchadnezzar's boast Nebuchadnezzar boasts and he is spittin with madness and it says by command of the watchers it's not a divine decree it's by command of the watchers so apparently in in Hebrew tradition there is an understanding that there are angels watchers who who are like the custodians or the enforcers of correct through authority structures because the Watchers in India declare that that Nebuchadnezzar will go mad until he learns to recognize the ascendancy of Yahweh all right the Lord it's like a disruption in that authority could cause a some kind of disturbance in the angels that's interesting or bring about vengeance or discipline mm-hmm very interesting sort of the gods stop oh yeah yeah look I do something about that mm-hmm yeah hmm so yeah these these arguments about being shorn or shaven and having the head covered and being the image and glory of God are really subdue a practice that that he's saying it's offensive to you you are being too full of arrogance and presumption you're putting yourself out of an authority place by thinking that you have the individual right or your little group of individuals have the right to cast all cultural tradition to the wind and be offensive to anyone simply because you are free in Christ mm-hmm that seems to be the thrust of the passage it makes sense and to me the biggest hitch understanding this passage is that last sentence in 16 and the way it's translated in some versions of the Bible yeah so and that's the ballast line it is that's his hey look if you if you're just going to make an argument about this yeah so the way that you believe is a scholar that it should be correctly translated is we have no such practice we have no so if anyone intends to be contentious or quarrel about the length of hair or head coverings then we have no such practice nor be the Churches of God mm-hmm so he's saying if you're gonna fight about this thing then it's no big deal just let it go but it could be if you're being contentious you better tell the line yeah or the opposite way yeah that's the opposite way I just don't think that's the better reading yeah I can hear that too yeah I don't think so either what it certainly reveals is that Paul is anticipating a contentious receiver that's the whole point that someone's being contentious here that's why we're having this problem people are being contentious and it follows because that's part of what's going on in the taking of the Lord's Supper later on chapter there are people who are being full of strife okay and competitive so yeah you're right that's the that's the ballast line yeah makes a big difference surprising to me that it could be so differently translated you know and the joys of translation yeah somebody's got to make a decision no it's tough job yeah jolly is I think there's enough in in the pre capito to to constrain the meaning even without that last construction do you think so mmm-hmm the judge the judge for yourselves is a big point there and and his instruction or his opener about tradition mm-hmm well ooh say look I'm dealing with contentious people I just don't want you to act this way hmm and the theological reasoning is there to support that point more like an illustration than it is deep arguing from theology to a point he's starting at a point and then casting the theology as an illustration to support it and so it could be incidental fact it isn't of course this could open a can of worms there's still a lot to be covered in this passage but this is just the walk through to get you through the basics if you'd like to focus in on one of the other verses feel free to send us an email or request at Bible walk through calm but until that time we'll see you next text and next time on Bible walkthrough thanks for tuning it thank you

1 cor. 11:15 but a woman has a long hair, it is glory to her hair for head covering.

we dont have to cover our head, its a false doctrine.

No such practice of being contentious, we are not to be a quarrelsome people even when it comes to something as important as a woman’s head being covered during worship.

A woman Under authority..simply means that this woman is married, that's all. she is not available.
The wedding ring accomplishes the same thing as the veil/head covering.

The best way t o read the word of God is with the Holy Spirit, " For the Spirit of Truth Will Lead You To All Truth "
Amen

Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. We were all born into sin because of the sin of Adam and Eve in the garden. Unless you're born-again, you can't enter the kingdom of heaven and you'll perish in your sins. God's wrath abides on those who haven't repented and believed in His only Son, Jesus Christ. God The Father sent God the Son, who became a man, while still being fully God. He lived a sinless life, bled and died for every one of our sins, was buried, and resurrected on the third day, defeating death. He commands all of mankind to repent, and believe in the Gospel. Repent means to turn away from our sins and turn towards God. Believe means to put your full trust in Jesus as your Savior, and your Lord. Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

The bible should be translated by the following: metaphorically, culturally, and literally. This verse is a "literally" verse. It is what it is. It wasn't just for the Jews but for the Gentiles as well.

I will not cut my hair, because it's a disgrace, women should dress with modesty, why in a Greek Orthodox church they do dress with modesty and others don't follow modesty?

1 Cor 11:14,15… Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
These two scriptures seem to conclude the matter: A man's short hair typyfies an uncovered head. The woman's long hair typyfies a covered head. So the answer would be that a woman with long hair has fulfilled the obligation of covering her head, and hence gives witness to her authority.
Verse 11:16 was addressing those who were 'contentious' about Paul's view that the long hair (a sign of femininity) was a suitable example of a covering and were insisting on a material covering. Paul replied that he and the churches of God did not support that custom.

Have you considered looking at the word covering and how its used in the greek in every single time in that passage?

it's because men are to not wear anything over their head and yet the Catholics do this and Christians do not they are not the same religions

1 Corinthians 11:15 KJV
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
http://bible.com/1/1co.11.15.KJV

We must be obedient to the WORD OF GOD YESHUA HAMASHIACH. Let us not forget the mighty cross and the mighty love we receive from our LORD & SAVIOR. Look at it this way, no need to fuss over bad hair days ever again.lol love you my brothers & sisters & Praise JESUS CHRIST!

What is a. Woman's hair becomes her pride or glory as it says and she shaves it her glory then can becomes the Lords …many women look at their hair as so precious maybe an idol is someone wer to cut it or mess up their style they took so long to make

It says if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair shaved or uncovered …so what if in today's culture in the church it's not a disgrace

Can I please suggest reading Tertullian's writings about this? According to him the Corinthian's understood this to refer to a cloth head covering. According to Tertullian, this became the consistent practice with the other churches. I've researched this for many years and changed my view from believing it refers to hair to a cloth covering that is applicable for today.

It could be this, or it could be that – don't worry, the Bible reveals things, but the scholars don't have a firm opinion about whether you should do anything or nothing about it at all – because the Greek Greek is Greek. Of course, there could be cans of worms, and who knows what anything is about? Poor Paul, if only he had written words with meaning!

Google "Strong's Concordance." Enter 1 Tim. 3. See verse 1: "if a man" G1536 ( Whosoever); "Bishop" G1984 (Office of an elder). V.2, "Bishop" G1985 (Bishoprick). V.1 is a position. V.2 is a person. Whosoever desires the Office of a bishop. Acts 14:23, "elders" G4245 (elder man, elder WOMAN). Acts 20:28, "overseers" G1985 (Elder of a Christian church). Bishops are overseers as pastors of Christian church. Holy women bishops. Eph. 4:11, God gave some apostles, teachers, etc. Titus 1:5, "ordain elders in every city."

Bummer…….this was a horrible video. You guys were beating around the scripture bush and had no real conclusion.

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