Lawrence Krauss: Our Godless Universe is Precious

The picture that science presents to us is,
in some sense, uncomfortable because what we’ve learned is that we are more insignificant
than we ever could have imagined. You could get rid of us and all the galaxies and everything
we see in the universe and it will be largely the same. So we’re insignificant on a scale
that Copernicus never would have imagined. And in addition, it turns out the future is
miserable. So the two main lessons that I like to say I like to give is first we’re
insignificant and second the future is miserable. Now that – you might think that should depress
you, but I would argue that, in fact, it should embolden you and provide you a different kind
of consolation. Because if the universe doesn’t care about
us and if we’re an accident in a remote corner of the universe, in some sense it makes us
more precious. The meaning in our lives is provided by us; we provide our meaning. And
we are here by accidents of evolution and the formation of planets and we should enjoy
our brief moment in the sun. We should make the most of our brief moment in the sun because
this is all we have. And even if we’re so rare that we’re the only
life forms in the universe, which I doubt, that makes us, in some sense, while we’re
more insignificant, we’re more special. We are endowed with a consciousness that can
ask questions about the beginning of the universe and learn about the universe on its largest
scales and experience everything that it means to be human. Music, art, literature, and science.
So for me it should be spiritually uplifting that we’re not created with a purpose by someone
who takes care of us, like a mannequin or with strings determining everything. We determine
our future. And that makes our future more precious.

Wes, I get being self-righteous; it means I'm right, you're wrong. I am not right at all since what I say comes from God. He points it out in His word, I'm just the messenger. And I'm not whining about being ridiculed; it's a fact; you called me a name and you dislike what I said; am I wrong about that? And I hope others are listening and will have their eyes opened to their sin, God's forgiveness in Christ, and the inevitability of death. I pray you will think about it; if not, then don't

Wes, I don't have to defend myself to you; if you believe I'm self-righteous, then believe it and be happy in your righteousness. No one is forcing you to trust Jesus and if you don't like my comments or think they're silly, then just don't bother and let me believe my "fantasies." Why does it bother you so much if it isn't real? Again, don't believe it and be happy in your life; you don't have to convince me; I'm sure you like living your life the way you do…most people do.

You still suffer from some kind of inferiority complex and victim status that people always apply to people like jews for thinking they were treated unfairly during the holocaust. Difference is that you turn the clock back 500 years and you begin to shout shit like ''WITHOUT US YOU WOULD BE EATING SHIT FROM A SHOESOLE''. You dont really come of as a humble individual, so on one hand it's ''waaa waaa feel bad for me'' and on the other it's ''Im better than you, so agree with me or die.''

Disease and povery has been a huge problem for mankind ever since day one, and if you think the life of some arabic rulers in Cordoba makes up the quota for the every day life for the common people, you're mistaken. The common people of the muslim world were even more narrowminded than they are today, and that's almost miraculous, consider the irony of reading this poisonous bile of facist bullshit.

The reason most people dont know any science from the quran is the fact that the quran makes painfully unoriginal and almost exclusively false statements. And if you have any specific verse that you try to convince me is ''dat ameezing sciance'' then you can feel free to link it.

Believe in god if you truly do. Question the basis of those beliefs however. Is the Christian bible an accurate basis of said belief? I personally don't see how it can be. It makes drastic errors in the ways of how things exist as we know them today. It also reads like a guidebook, a way for man (whom wrote it) to control based on what they say is divine intervention. To me god has to be much greater than the god described in the Christian bible. That god sounds more like man to me.

why can your god be an uncaused cause but the universe itself cant? no one has ever seen your god but we see the universe every single day. i walk outside and observe the natural processes and principles of this universe, your holy books dont even as much as speak of them. if we all put 100% faith in this ever so present god, no one would know what gravity is, no one would know what electro magnetism is, quantum mechanics.. nothing. but thats ok god loves us so we dont need to care???

look towards a combination of science and eastern philosophy for your answers… western monotheistic worldview is inconceivable in a real world.

Eastern philosophy is honestly something I am quite unused to but what I have heard does intrigue. Good advice Evan 🙂

I did. And I find it appalling. Some religions are worse than others, and I consider Islam to be one of, if not the, worst of our time. At least Christianity got over things like the Inquisition. Of course, I do understand there's more to it than just Islam. Socioeconomic conditions also play a role but your dogma is quite unique among mainstream religions. I truly wish for an Islamic 'reformation.'

I'm not so sure about your 'facts.' That I'll agree. Baghdad was the center of learning at one point. I have to say though that the golden age of Islamic science happened before Al-Ghazali. Because of him, Islam eventually morphed into what it is today and never recovered. That era before him was more tolerant and open. Can you name scientists, trained in the more conservative Muslim countries, who made significant contributions to science in our time?

Be nice, Wes. Don't you know they have the secret to eternal life? If only you'd suspend your disbelief and use of critical thinking, you can also be saved. Just have faith and your eyes will be opened. Read the Bible. It's actually online. My favorite version being at skepticsannotatedbible(dot)com. There, that's my Colbert-esque attempt. =)

I like cosmic muffins. They're delicious. Gives new meaning to "eat my body" that I hear from the Jewish zombie's cult.

Cool beans, bro. I find the mutual respect would be a better tactic than fear to garner followers. You actually make yourself likable that way.

Well said we shouldn't focus on a,"God" when wev been given a small time here to think about the facts and awe inspiring facts on how we came here exactly not simply " well a God made us" and take it at that

But at the end of the day your precious existence still means nothing, your meaning and purpose means nothing, either way you look at it this life is shit, you can worship a God you cannot see or hear or you can accept the blindness of evolution, either way doesn't help me sleep better at night.

i'll take this one:
because it would be easier, cheaper and above all: safer. at least at first until we have enough experience, funding, technology and knowledge and then it will be more viable. scientific progress is a slow process but we always get their eventually.

there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that. i feel the same discomfort but the fact that someone can admit to the reality of their circumstances as opposed to turning from it should be brought a little comfort and be much more mentally prepared for that inevitable day when you or I leave this world.

We are not gaining experience with human space travel. We are stagnant. Krauss pushes us beyond the Big Bang to the multiverse and he's perfectly fine with us sitting on our couches.

Our robots aren't that great either. The Russians got a better picture of Venus than we got of Titan. I was so disappointed with that one.

Watching this video, I come away with the idea that Lawrence Krauss does not support String Theory. He doesn't want to believe strings determine everything. 😀

Do you think before you type?
This man is a brilliant Astrophysicist, author of 'Quintessence' and 'A Universe From Nothing' to name a few, has been nominated for a grammy award for his liner works, etc.

You are absolutely correct in your assertion – morals are man-made. And different civilisations, over time, have created Gods in their own image to reflect that. The Jesus myth is no different.

This man must have had horrible early life religious indoctrination experience. I agree with and understand what he is saying how we give ourselves "life" purpose

Unsubstantiated religion this is. We are made in the image of God and because we have traded that truth for a lie and have sinned against our maker (lies, theft, lust, fornication, etx ) you suppress the truth BC of unrighteousness. Everyone knows God exists and are without excuse for the heavens declare His glory. Repent, turn from your sins and truth in Jesus Christ otherwise you will not enter heaven but receive what you have earned which is judgement.

+Victoria Sauder  the social contract, utilitarianism, existential ethics, ethical subjectivism, ethical egoism, the catagorical imperative, care ethics, virtue ethics, etc.

If we must create our own meaning, then why say that we are insignificant in the first place. Perspective is merely a subjective interpretation. If we create our own meaning. If you say that reality is truly meaningless, that does not give you the license to fill in the void. Whatever meaning we create in a meaningless universe becomes a delusion. Clinging to falsehood in face of a terrible truth.

But how are you defining insignificant? To whom? To what? I'd say we are very significant to the Earth. If we don;t take care of it, it will end much faster. We are significant to our loved ones. Does the rock miss me? Well probably not, but I exist only because others exist and so significance exists.

And in fact we are very special and unique because I don't see life anywhere else, on any other planet, let alone intelligent life that can contemplate such things. 

We would be common if we looked out and saw "Oh, the Serenes on planet x are saying Hi" and "Oh, the Kardashigans on planet y are passing by. Bastards didn't even say hi."

But where is all this other life? I agree there is probably life out there somewhere on some planet. But it certainly does't seem common.

So it is rare, unique and special. And the fact that we treat this life which who knows if it could happen again this way or a different way but in so many trillions of years    like it is nothing much is a very very sad thing, Not just for us, but for everything we are destroying. 

What is so precious about a universe doom to destruction. What is so precious about life and moral if it is all in vain?

Humans will evolve into god(s) through advanced technology. If our cosmos is part of a multiverse with a large number of universes then it is possible that one of those universes already evolved god(s). Therefore, how can one be an atheist unless they 1) deny the multiverse exists and consists of a large number of universes, or 2) believe humanity will go extinct before technology makes us into god(s). 

Very interesting point of view but how about the Music and Movie Industry and people who are being recruited to fulfill some kind of plans against their ethics?

I can't see that we could have lived this long in a universe run by blind forces. How in fact could the laws of physics be fulfilled ?  Wouldn't there just be random collisions ?

People throw around the word lifeforms to easily. How do you know that you yourself is just one lifeform. Think about all the cells, bacteria, viruses, and ect. that live inside you. Are they not lifeforms as well? Yes all of those things can be found around the universe, even if we haven't found them yet.

Reminds me of the quote from Hannibal. "I’ve always found the idea of death comforting. The thought that my life could end at any moment frees me to fully appreciate the beauty and art and horror of everything this world has to offer."

I don't agree that we are insignificant. If the universe was just there without us or without any other living being what would be the significance of the universe? None. With us: it obtains significance, so we ARE significant, no matter how small we are and no matter how few we are.

As for pulling strings, almost sounds like Dr. Krauss is alluding to String Theory here, right? 😉 IMO string theory sounds indeed like Dr. Kaku says: cosmic music resonating through the 11th dimension. Somehow I got a "feeling" that this is really it. We are not an accident and the laws of nature are not an accident either. And no, I do not believe in a God although I won't exclude the possibility that consciousness is beyond what we can measure with instruments. Maybe we'll find it in one of those other dimensions of string theory, in those which we can't see 🙂 Just my opinion.

Which science are you studying fool, you should try Genetics and study our DNA just like Harvard University is, seems like you got a lot of catching up to do Lawrence.

To suppose that accident is the infrastructure of the universe and its governing principle does not rest on any logical proof or scientific evidence cannot be accepted as a definitive solution to the geometry of the structure of being.

Lawrence LOUSE!!! Is a Marxist!!!! He is from the "Frankfurt School Of Critical Theory" everything that has made Western Civilization So Great and Wonderful' Lawrence LOUSE wants to Destroy!! He is a Rat Faced Marxist Pig! A Universe From Nothing' yeah Right!! Its more like? Lawrence's Hairline! 'From something to nothing!! We are probably living in a Simulation? Who or what' is Controlling the simulation?

I agree with LK on many, many things, like making the most of our fleeting existence, no creator, etc. I love Kraus for what he has done to promote the acientific method, and debunking myth. However, Lanza is much closer to unifying a theory of everything than LK or physicists can ever get. Physics doesn't consider the biological fact that everything we observe is essentially a hologram (biological interpretation). For me, the double slit experiment lends almost unquestionable credence to this. Strange as it may sound, Biocentrism is a formidable theory. Depak Chopra, don't get too excited. Your mumbo jumbo hocus pocus view is totally unscientific. Looking forward to more research on the biological aspects of reality. The case is, obviously, still open.

you can argue all you want. that's just your opinion and it is irrelevant. why should i believe in your subjective state of mind or feelings?

God gave us free will for a reason. He does not control us because that means he makes us kill each other and commit other crimes like that.

We are certainly not perfect, but this beautiful accident of consciousness should give us a new meaning. We should be protecting our species not from killing each other but from the chaotic universe and nature that surrounds us. That should be everybody's goal. The only way our chances of survival increase is if we work together to protect all of us from the dangers of a universe that doesn't care to destroy us if we get on it's way.

that logo in the upper right that says "big think" should actually say "big lie." 2nd Thessalonians 2 refers to it as "strong delusion" — a delusion is a wrong way of thinking, or the absence of reality. That's what Atheism is exactly: absence of reality. Reality is that which corresponds to truth, and Atheism is the big lie. This Krauss is a fool, bigger than most. A Universe From Nothing was his big idea? That's funny. 🙂

To paraphrase this self-proclaimed nephew of a primate, "Your life is precious because it is insignificant." What nonsense, and what a fool he is. For anyone who says "Atheism is incoherent," I have no rebuttal. And if they offer Lawrence Krauss as first evidence, I would quickly admit, "You've got me. Checkmate. Game over."

And yet, what is the point of it all? What is the purpose of it all? To gain so much knowledge and to fade into nothingness? If atheism is true and we have a godless universe, that everything came from nothing and we will return to nothing, then what does any of it really matter in the long run? No matter how high the human species climbs, if the only thing waiting for our bodies is rot in the grave and for us nothingness, then why even bother at all? It would be fruitless and pointless. If atheism is true, then we are in a race we cannot possibly win and in which there is no prize. Ultimately, all the work men like Richard Dawkins, Lawerence Krauss, and Bill Nye have done means nothing. All the evils done by men like Stalin have done, the millions killed, it means nothing. Interestingly enough, there is a record in the Bible where Paul ponders this same point.

1 Corinthians 15:32, "If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying atheists can't get enjoyment out of life. I'm not saying they can't appreciate things here. I'm just making the point that, essentially, if atheism is true, then everything any of us do here consequentially doesn't amount to anything. That's something that atheism has to square with.

@Lawrence Krauss, your "enjoying the moment we have in the sun, because it is all we have" perhaps doesn't take into account (does it now?) that some of us have very gruesome fashions of enjoying themselves.

Wow.. to be so literate and not be literate enough to even realise that the theory that everything just is a coincidence.. it's really mind boggling.. How can one be so naive and derive entire theories on our existence without having a single proof of what they say is possible…

This Video should be Re-titled? MY JOBLESS UNIVERSE!! LOL! Because lil Lawrence Krauss is Jobless!!! Lolololololoololol!!!

God explains the universe in a few verses. Some dude in a cave with a candle beat Lawrence By a minute and forty-five minutes

The most ignorant scientist. Was we have come far since…say Newton or Maxwell. How could u misunderstand everything man. N then sound brilliant the most farrage ever. This whole thing has no meaning…so u be ur own God…worship ur desire..

A Godless ideology will lead to Godless behavior just like antics of Marquis de Sade, Nietzsche, Crowley and all those freaks. And now we can include you Krauss.

Krauss version of "A Universe from Nothing" goes like this
1 Nothing is“ a quantum vacuum seething with particles of matter and anti-matter
2. "Empty space is complicated."
3 – "strength of the energy [SIC] field has to be huge"
4 – "Nothing is unstable"
5 – "follows the rules of quantum mechanics"
6 – "all these phenomena imply that under the right conditions not only nothing can become something, but it is required

" Oxford dictionary defines "nothing" properly as "Not anything!" Having no attributes! *Nothing has
"no space" not "empty space!"*
Nothing has no boiling brew of virtual particles
Nothing has no energy field. Nothing has no instability.
Nothing has no quantum mechanics laws acting on it Nothing has no phenomena, no
right conditions, and no requirements. The Oxford dictionary defines the word
"Equivocation," as, "The use of ambiguous language to conceal
the truth or to avoid committing oneself."
Is Lawrence Krauss a celebrated physicist, or Just a (very, very) bad Philosopher whose science is dictated by his unwavering commitment the philosophy of Scientific naturalism ? (A scientific American assessment) A scathing review in the New York Times on Krauss' book and in particular his version of *nothing"

Theologians and philosophers (typically) don't pretend to be well-versed in matters of science. I'm always bemused by scientists who act like experts on theological and philosophical principles. There are few people in the world who have a deep working knowledge of both science and the realm of theology/philosophy, but I think the ones who are, are more apt to conclude that God and science are not inherently contradictory. I wouldn't ask a scientist for an expert opinion on art or literature (unless they're also well-educated on those subjects), nor would I ask for their expert opinion on theology/philosophy. I don't know what the preoccupation is with people wanting scientists to weigh in on the existence of God. A) God and Science aren't necessarily contradictory in the slightest. B) Scientists, on the basis of being a scientist alone, have no basis for explaining or debunking the existence of God. My theory is that scientists, who more than likely were educated in the West, make philosophical assumptions about the nature of the origins of the universe (and whether or not their was a Creator) based on their (often uneducated) ideas of who they were raised to think God is or how they've viewed God from a cultural perspective.

"The physicist on the SPIRITUAL consolations……" Sadly, this man, in this video, is again showing himself to be one of the EXACTLY-prophesied FALSE "spiritual" teacher-types (2Timothy 4:3,4) who are, for their choices of spiritual LIES (basically the SAME as Satan's), animalistically DEVOID of true spirituality; have NOTHING of any spiritual worth to offer anyone (but only evil-producing, blasphemous, and future-deadly, etc. LIES); and demonstrate ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURAL UNDERSTANDING AT ALL, despite all of their FALSELY POSING themselves as being "experts" on this entire LIFE-VITAL subject……..(2Timothy 4:3,4) – "For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories."…………(Jude 17-19) – "As for YOU, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 how they used to say to YOU: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things.” 19 These are the ones that make separations, animalistic [men], NOT HAVING SPIRITUALITY." ……….And the colossial, stunningly EXACT FULFILLMENT of 2000 year old scriptural PROPHESIES from Jehovah regarding such INEXCUSABLE, FALSELY "intelligent" (darkened-hearted), haughty, insolent, etc. LIES, SLANDER, and Satanic FALSEHOODS against Him, His Son, His own-Authored Holy Scriptures, and true, scriptural worshipers of Him is now over-flowingly self-evident.*  Clearly, Armageddon from the Creator is soon. The time left for anyone to "repent and turn around" (Acts 3:19) from liking and living LIES is SHORT now, and is reduced every passing day………(Romans 1:18-32) – "For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish 23 and turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed creatures and creeping things.
24 Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, 25 even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.
28 And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting, 29 filled as they were with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disposition, being whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, self-assuming, inventors of injurious things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, merciless. 32 Although these know full well the righteous decree of God, that those practicing such things are deserving of death, they not only keep on doing them but also consent with those practicing them."


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